Götterdämmerung Frame 2

[daddog]

Next month I am going to lower our numbers. One of reasons I have come to realize why we have not done so great is they (the CiC) expects us to show up with twenty something guys. So often we are overwhelmed with enemy and really don't stand much of a chance. I must have seen at least 6 guys on Baumer at one point. Everyone else with 2 or 3 guys on them. I had an LA that would not leave me alone. Got about 3 shots on some IL2's but could never slow down enough to take them all out. Had I been able to slow and break some I would have had about 5 IL2's that night. lol

We spotted about a dozen Yaks, but then some LA5's and LA7's showed up. About 5 minutes later the IL2's came in on the deck and hit the town. Right now we are in the 16-21 slot. I think most CiC plan on our having 20 or so pilots. If I lower our numbers to the next step down it would be the 11-15 slot. Those size squads usually are supported by other squads and don't stand alone. Granted we would be limited to 17 pilots, but over all I think the 17 would enjoy themselves more then getting overwhelmed. We went against two 11-15 size squads and a smaller 4-6 size. Makes it tough. Darn near 2 to 1 against us.

[mookdog]

 I'm sorry I missed FSO.I was watching a documentary and totally spaced the time.When I remembered FSO,I was 15mins late.To me that is no excuse.Again,sorry.

[BigRat]

I tried taking on about a 20:1, didn't work out so great .  I actually managed to get into the middle of the IL2 formation on the deck, it created absolute chaos in their ranks for a while, as they were all given each other check 6's and breaking as I stormed up from behind them.  I couldn't change course due to the escort fighters I was dragging with me.  I don't think the escort fighters could find me due to the sheer amount of friendly icons so close to me.  I had a few within 200 yds or less and not firing.  Boy I wish I had the big tater in there, the Il2's just shrugged off my single 20mm, even after laying into two of them very hard.  Eventually one of the LAs found me and I had to break, but with the shear number of planes I had to break in front of, someone was getting a shot.  A 9T found my wing evidently with a tator, since it was a one hit and gone.  Wish I had film on becouse it would have looked hilarious, with one G14 in there.

 
BigRat

[Dichodog]

Probably a good idea DD. 

[Drone]

Oh man.. sorry for the bad trip, DD.. but your proposal concerns me a bit.  Lemme see if I can express myself properly.

First off, limiting the roster limits the number of active Mongrels on our official squad night.  I really don't like that idea.

Secondly, it really sounds as though there may be a fundamental fault in FSO, somewhere, if a 20 member squad is going to be the sole defender against a 40-50 plane strike force ( this goes both ways, of course, as the attackers from the same team should only be facing 20 defenders on their run, too ). 

Now, I know I haven't been on the last 2 FSOs, but I've been noticing that the number of nights being overwhelmed has increased a bit over the last 2 years.  Trying to be objective, a lot of those can be attributed to just rotten luck, being in the wrong place at the wrong time, the aircraft matchups(FSO Design ), and just unfortunate mistakes in setups. ( icon range being the prime culprit, there ).

Maybe there're some numbers that need to be adjusted with the size of the FSOs that wasn't necessary when it was under 200.. i don't know.  Has there been any chatter on the CM forum?

If the CiCs assign a single large squad as defense of a major target, then reject their orders and make them reassign squads to balance things out a bit more. 

I really think that if a squad is forced to restrict membership ( because that's what you're proposing ) in order to hope to enjoy more success, that should be a flag that something is out of whack, somewhere.

I hope that makes sense.

If there was an e-mail sent out about this, I haven't seen it, as I don't access to that e-mail account while I'm on the road.

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Drone


 

[Kansas2]

I must have seen at least 6 guys on Baumer at one point. Everyone else with 2 or 3 guys on them.

Those 6 guys had just finished me off when you came in daddog. It seems like our squad is always
broke up into smaller units and we get outnumbered. Maybe if we were all in the same plane
and all 20 guys stayed together.   

[mookdog]

 I don't know if it's the Mongrel's reputation,but I agree with Drone.We seem to be out numbered more often than not.
 I'm getting a PCI sound card and got a new wireless card,so no equipment excuses.I will do my best to fly with the squad on all squad nights.

[daddog]

First off I am not getting on the case of those not attending. So don't worry about that guys. We all have real life to deal with and sometimes we can't make it. Sometimes we can and we get caught up in other things so don't worry about that.

Secondly I was not clear. I am not talking about limiting membership. That would be silly.  I would never want to limit the membership of our squad. If it is growing there is a reason for that. I was talking about simply lowering our committed numbers for the next month in FSO. For the most part we have been a 16-21 size squad in FSO. I would say we have been in that range about 70% of the time in our FSO years. We have gone as low as 11-15 before and as high as the 22-27 slot. Generally in the 16-21 slot we field about 20 or so. Sometimes we hit the +2 limit and had 23. That is fine. If we had 6 more guys Friday night the turn out might have been better with several more kills. Just so happens that we have been on the low end of 16-21 with some Fridays having 14 or so show up. That makes us mid size squad really when are listed as a larger squad. Make sense? All I am saying is we need to lower our numbers for next month and the coming months untill our regular Friday attendance raises some. If I don't I see our squad continuing to get saddled with missions that need several more guys than we show up with.

I really don't see it as a fundamental fault in FSO. No chatter about it on the CM forums because this is an issue with our squad. We are simply committing to a 16-21 slot, but usually only show up with 15 or 16 guys which would make us an 11-15 size squad.

[Drone]

Ahhhh... thanks for the clarification,boss. I thought you meant that you were going to keep the commitment level down so we wouldn't get stuck as solo defenders.

Nevermind!
 

[Baumer]

Well I think Daddog needs to improve his shooting!  I go through all that work to line up 4 of them bad guys behind me and he misses them all!

[Kansas2]

If you look real close you will see me shooting with my .45         

[BigRat]

Look I found some IL2's



Look the escort found me



 
BigRat

[daddog]

LOL
Nice one BigRat. 

[Flushed]

Is frame 3 tomorrow? I am home so it'll be my first chance I've had to fly in an FSO in a while if there is room for me?

[daddog]

Plenty of room. At work, but as soon as I get home I will send out F3 orders if someone else has not by then.