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« on: January 20, 2008, 10:31:25 PM »

Anyone use a laser on their handgun/assault rifle/shotgun?  I am considering one for my tactical shotgun, but wonder if it will hold up to the recoil of 00 buckshot loads.  I also want a tactical light with a pressure switch for quick "on", and have pretty much settled on the Surefire 870 foregrip/light combo.   

I have my eye on on the new FN in 45 acp  http://www.fnhusa.com/products/firearms/model.asp?fid=FNF020&gid=FNG001&mid=FNM0062 .  Look at that beautiful ambi slide release on the right side.  Totally ambidextrous, plus comes with 3 mags.  I want one.  Has a built in rail forward of the trigger guard for a laser, but I wonder if I would like the Crimson Trace version better. 
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« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2008, 06:50:48 AM »

I don't know that I'd trust a laser sight on a shotgun, recoil can be pretty rough on some loads.
But they are putting lasers on a lot of guns nowdays.

I have seen a lot of shotguns with red dot sights. Like a short scope, it projects a red dot on center.
I can see having a light in front if your not going to hunt with it a lot. Unlike a laser its not visible to anyone else.
Inside of 50 yards I don't need a sight to hit a target even as small as a clay pidgeon. I figure man sized at half that is a turkey shoot.
Outside of 50 yards I'd be reaching for a different gun.  I do know that in a home defense situation I'd prefer a shotgun to all else.
Nothing else quite says "Freeze sucker" in the same way as the click clack of a pump gun being cycled.
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« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2008, 10:27:17 AM »

I never have. For a shot gun/home defense when shooting from the hip it could be very handy.

Only once did I ever pull a gun for self defense. Was living in Fresno at that time and about 2 AM Gloria and I were awake from hearing the neighbors dog bark. Saw to guys sneak past our bedroom window. Pulled out my .45 and went to the side of the house and chambered a round. Heard some one run off. My heart was in my throat, but it worked.
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« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2008, 01:11:52 PM »

I've worked with a small "pointer" laser that was about the size of a pen cap that could withstand repeated 50G shocks. It was a 5volt laser so I'm sure their out there. The unit I was working with was about $250.00 but that was due to it being milspec. I'm sure Optiker could explain more but the only area of concern would be the optics and the range at which you want to see the dot.

Btw I've worked with a small 20Watt laser that could put a hole in a 1/4 inch steel plate at 50 feet so you don't even need the shotgun.

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« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2008, 07:16:39 PM »

Wow...
What do you do with those? Not legal are they???
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« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2008, 09:59:10 PM »

It's just a laser cutting system for precision metal work. The optics were changed to try something a little different. IPG has a laser welder that's used in a few automotive plants for shooting spot welds on steel body panels' from 5 to 8 feet. The really fun stuff is the new generation of fiber lasers that are coming out. There's a company in Alabama that's developed a 3 Kw watt laser that runs off of 110. Just plug it in the wall and "fire" away. That system can cut through 2.5 inch steel plates at 5 feet per minute.
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« Reply #6 on: January 21, 2008, 10:13:43 PM »

Fire that baby up and "cut" your attacker's knife, gun, etc in half.  I like it!  Hey.. wait a minute... if that works, maybe guns will become obsolete...   I can't have that. 
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« Reply #7 on: January 22, 2008, 10:14:51 AM »

I have a Crimson Trace on my Government Model .45 acp.

I see the laser’s use on handguns as (not in order):

1. Target identification (This one, marked by my laser, is mine).

2. Shot placement in unusual situations – anytime I can’t, because of awkward position or injury, line up my sights.

3. Small degree of psychological impact (See that pretty red dot on your chest? Guess what’s coming next). I can’t count on this though, and they have to notice the dot – but seeing the pistol pointed at them should be enough of a clue.

4. Training. It’s really easy to detect trigger press errors by watching the dot.

I don’t use the laser to replace my sights (except in “2” above), and I don’t trust batteries, switches, or possible frailty of the laser. I also don’t use one as a “night sight”. I learned to shoot well in low light with just my standard sights. Being able to identify the threat is more important, and a laser won’t help with that.

As for putting one on my shotgun, it’s not likely I would. Because of the “spread” of shotgun pellets, shotguns are a point and shoot system at typical ranges, so the only advantage I see is possibly in “3” above – not much of an advantage for the cost.

But, hey, if you like it, get it. The big name brands are pretty stout now, so I don’t see recoil being a big issue.

I also have a problem with attaching flashlights to my long arms. They’re muzzle end heavy to begin with, so I don’t need to add additional weight out front. Try doing a full reload, shotgun still mounted at the shoulder, holding the shotgun only at the wrist of the stock and loading shells with the other hand, while keeping the shotgun pointed at the "threat". This gets tiring without the additional weight forward that the flashlight will add. I’ve gotten to where I prefer really light barrels on my “practical” long arms to reduce the forward weight.

Now, if I was leading SWAT team into a darkened bad guy building, then I would appreciate the flashlight on the shotgun. I have yet to do this though and I don’t foresee a need for me to do this anytime in the future.

But, hey, if you like it, get it.

That FN does look cool, and FN makes a fine gun. It would be too big for my hand though, so I could never be as good with it as I am with a gun that fits properly (and I really do not like the so called traditional DA/SA triggers).

I had a tough time getting many soldiers to shoot well with the Beretta M9 when I was giving M1911A1 to M9 transition training to both the 8th ID and 1st AD. The M9 is just too big for many hands and the DA/SA transition trigger is both too long and difficult to master (not impossible, just difficult).

But, hey, if you like it, get it.  rolleyes  Wink


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« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2008, 12:39:00 AM »

It's just a laser cutting system for precision metal work. The optics were changed to try something a little different. IPG has a laser welder that's used in a few automotive plants for shooting spot welds on steel body panels' from 5 to 8 feet. The really fun stuff is the new generation of fiber lasers that are coming out. There's a company in Alabama that's developed a 3 Kw watt laser that runs off of 110. Just plug it in the wall and "fire" away. That system can cut through 2.5 inch steel plates at 5 feet per minute.

Did he just describe a light saber?^.^
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