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« Reply #25 on: November 28, 2008, 11:01:56 AM »

I'm originally from Slidell, Louisiana and also lived in Gretna and Lafitte.  Now, because the wife is an Admiral and outranks this Chief, I am stuck in Port Washington, Wisconsin.  I hate the cold so much that I have actually thought about cutting my losses and starting over.  Nah, but I will lay down the gauntlet when the kids are out of school.

Personal opinions will vary on this subject but here are mine.

There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that my son would never even consider touching one of my guns.  His knuckleheaded friends that come over while I'm working a rotating 12 hour shift in the power plant are another matter.  Buying the safe put my mind at ease.

I would start a young boy with an old fashioned Red Ryder BB gun after a long talk about gun safety and some supervision with some paper targets.  The .22 course is a great way to go also.   thumbsup  I belong to a gun club and we give those kind of courses as well as helping kids sight in their rifles for deer season and such.

My father was a policeman and I can remember when I was in the 5th grade he sat me down at the table with him as he broke down his service revolver and cleaned it.  That was very important even though I didn't know it then.  By him showing and explaining what he was doing and how the gun worked, it took ALL of my curiosity out of the equation.

That and the fear of his foot planted in my rear end.   nono

What to keep by the bedside?  Whole different story, lots of differing opinions on this also.  I'll give mine since I'm a new guy and not expected to know any better than to run off at the mouth  Wink

Imagine you are awakened by an unfamiliar sound and you reach by the bedside for your favorite home defense weapon.  I have a couple of questions...

1.  Have you had any training on the proper way to clear a room?
2.  Have you practice shooting at a moving target in the dark?
3.  Have you considered how many walls a hollowpoint will travel through before
     expending it's energy.  Family members have actually been injured/killed from
     this.
4.  Have you considered something like a glaser safety slug?

I don't keep any loaded guns out.  I remember when I was a kid stealing cookies from the cookie jar at 2 am and the lights came on and my father had his .357 pointed at my chest.  Embarassing for him, lucky for me, and I lost my taste for oatmeal cookies.   embarassed

Let me say this and then I will shut up.  If an intruder dives behind a chair or couch, a 12 guage shotgun will take the obstacle out of the way as well as the intruder.  Unless you have close combat experience or kill house training a shotgun will serve you best at night in an adrenaline hyped atmosphere.

It is also a proven fact that nothing in this world, and I have been to over 30 countries, nothing loosens a mans bowels quicker or more reliably than the sound of a shell being racked into a 12 gauge pump shotgun.

Wow, did I get off topic.  Just thought I would share some ideas since our children are close to the same age.

Stick with the .22 training program.  I believe that's the best way to go.   thumbsup 

Didn't mean to turn this post into a blog, I apologize for that.  Experience has left me with some pretty strong opinions on this subject.   icon_salut

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« Reply #26 on: November 28, 2008, 11:44:59 AM »

Being a Brit, i haven't been round guns a lot or ever been hunting, guns and hunting being illegal in the UK. I do a little archery, not so much now, back in England i did a few interclub tournaments. I have done a little pistol shooting at the local gun range. I am a much better shot with my bow than with a handgun. icon_biggrin
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« Reply #27 on: December 01, 2008, 08:52:57 AM »

Cajun I have cousins in Slidell, mom was born in New Orleans, but the family moved not long after to El Paso when Grandpa joined the Border Patrol. He had the mildest blue eyes you ever saw in your life. Right up to the point where he picked up a gun. When they went the same cold steel gray as a gun barrel.

Myself I taught firearm safety in the small town I grew up in for 14 years. Paid my dues, did my share. Hunted for 25 years with no accidents, and nothing shot that wasn't supposed to be.

Like you I agree that unless your police trained its hard to beat a 12 Ga for home defence. I never have been much for pistols anyway. For the shooting I did there was nothing a long gun wouldn't do better and safer.

James your right on track, hunter safety first, followed by the .22 course. Then as time, maturity, and responsibility run their course you should be able to slowly relax controls.

My folks were not real big on the idea of me having a gun at that age. But by the time I went to College I was feeding myself on weekends with a shotgun. And the hunting friends were better than the ones who sat around and did drugs or drank.

I'd say go for matching funds for the first purchase. That splits ownership, and gives you a bit more control.
Also lets you have more of a say on what he buys. While I love my semi auto rugers I would not suggest one for your son.
Both from a safety standpoint, and from a "make every single shot count" perspective.
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« Reply #28 on: December 01, 2008, 03:17:48 PM »

Cajun:

Nice post. Let me guess, you use that .375 H&H Shocked for those northern whitetails, right?Huh Them being bigger than the ones you may have been used to down Louisiana way  Wink.

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Sondog turned 13 this past summer and just yesterday he came up to me and asked, "Papa when could I own a gun?". I was kinda surprised by this because I don't go out much and do any shooting. I thought about it and told him I would expect him to take a hunter safty course and then at the local gun club they have a 6 week .22 course. I figured with those in his back pocket he could save up and get one. I told him he could keep it in his room, but the ammo would stay separate in my room locked away.
I keep a couple loaded guns near my bed side, but I am not about let any of my kids do that.
Other thoughts guys? What would be your prerequisites for your son to own a gun?

I don’t have a son, but I do have two daughters. My process would not have changed though, if one of them had been born a boy.

First, I had to be honest to my self and my child and ask "Are they really mature and stable enough, not simply old enough, to be having their own firearm?" and "Have there been any issues that, though they appear stable now, I should give them a little more time before we go to this?".

My two daughters spent five years with there real mother (away from me) in a less than ideal situation. They were drug around to do "mission work" in unsavory third world countries, left alone with people they barely knew, and we know that at least one of the girls was molested. There were emotional issues I had to help them deal with when they first came to live with me after I regained custody.

Prior to my first wife leaving and divorcing me (my girls were five and seven then), I was to have a few years of exposing them to responsible firearms handling.

As soon as my girls were able to carry on simple conversations, with understanding (about 5 y/o), I took them into the woods and –

1. I had a .22 lr revolver and a .357 mag revolver with me.

2. Placed a full, unopened soda can, an orange, and a medium water melon out as targets.

3. Gave my girls a short lesson on firearms safety (treat all guns as loaded, always point in a safe direction, don’t touch the trigger until you’re ready for it to go off, point only at appropriate targets [have to keep it simple and short – young minds don’t have a long attention span])

4. I allowed them to safely handle the firearms. Took the guns back, and covered their ears and eyes with safety gear.

5. I then used the .22 to shoot the soda can. POW, SPLAT, the can erupts and goes sailing. I then shot the orange. POW, SPLAT, the orange opens up and goes sailing.

6. I pick up the can and the remains of the orange. I first held a .22 lr cartridge next to their tummies so they can see how small the cartridge is next to them, and then I held the opened can and orange remains next to their tummies, explaining that is what would happen to them or someone else if they were to fire a gun at a person. Their eyes are wide.

7. Cover eyes and ears again. Fire the .357 at the melon. KABOOM, SPLAT, the melon erupts.

8. I pick up the largest chunk of melon and first held a .357 mag cartridge next to the tummies and then the melon chunk. Again explaining that this is what happens if someone gets shot. Eyes even wider now.

9. I explain that they may see and handle my guns in the future, but only if I or mom are with them and it is not an inappropriate time, such as when guests are over.

10. I re-enforce that I love them and want them to be safe around guns. I then grabbed them by their collars, raised them off their feet to my eye level and in a deep, but not loud, 1SG voice said “But if you ever touch a gun without my permission I’ll send you through the roof!”. I then let them down, hugged them, and reassured them that I love them and want them to be safe around guns. “If you want to see the guns, I or mom has to be there to give permission and be with you”.

This whole affair took maybe seven to ten minutes.

Safety was reinforced every time they and I and the guns were out for the many  years after.

I never had any indication that they failed following my instructions.

If by the time they were twelve or so, they had wanted their own gun (they didn’t until they were 18 – they had mine available) I would have done similar deals as the one mentioned by Ghost – split ownership – and by you – training (by someone else) and I control access, up until they have shown that they can be trusted alone.

My Dad controlled access to my .22 rifle from the time of my being 12 up until I was 16, then it was mine to control. He was pretty easy with my access – I had to be with him or someone else he trusted, but he knew I had done well in firearms safety classes and on hunting excursions with friends.

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« Reply #29 on: December 01, 2008, 04:37:31 PM »

I hope my post wasn't taken the wrong way.  It's just that during my experience I have run across a number of things that should be considered that even I didn't think about.  My friend shot at an intruder in his house and the round went through the living room and his daughters room about 3' above her bed.  That's why I brought up the safety slugs.

Ghost and ASA are both right on target.  Someone with experience should spend some time with them.  Familiarization and safety lessons take the curiosity out of the equation.  That's where the trouble comes in.  Curiosity.

The .375 H&H is part of what I need to fulfill a lifelong dream of mine.  Hunting an old Cape Buffalo in Africa.  It is a single shot Ruger #1.  That's why when it was just me and Trap I called our two man squad the Dugga Boys.  The're the old bulls that don't hang with the herd anymore.

Good topic though. thumbsup
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« Reply #30 on: December 01, 2008, 06:42:58 PM »

No, not taken wrong; I liked your post.

Absolutely, curiosity is a bugaboo, sometimes aka the “forbidden fruit”. I believe that by satisfying the curiosity and not making firearms a forbidden item (controlled and supervised, but not forbidden) I may have staved off many a potential problem. That and also setting a good example myself and seeing to it that the kids get good training and introduction.

Cajun: I figured the .375 had a more practical purpose/intent, but it reminded me of a Lt. Colonel I had as a Battalion Commander at Ft. Huachuca, AZ. He was originally from Kansas, liked hunting, but for some reason brought a Ruger M77 in .375 H&H to Ft. Huachuca as his “Deer” rifle.

Now, the predominant deer one is likely to run across at Ft. Huachuca is the little (and I do mean tiny) Coues Whitetail (a few Mule Deer are about, but the .375 is still a lot of gun even for them). He did go out once that I’m aware of, but he most certainly didn’t mention what the results are of hitting an adult 60 - 80 pound Coues Deer with 300+ grains of .375 whoopa** are. I’m sure it went down fast.  Cheesy

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« Reply #31 on: December 02, 2008, 10:16:46 AM »

Nope your right on target cajun. We all have opinions, and one of the great things about this bunch is that we mostly feel free to air them.  Might have to watch yourself when it comes to arguing religion or using strong language. Otherwise let er rip, and take your lumps.
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« Reply #32 on: September 14, 2009, 03:07:12 PM »

I have in my Gun locker
1 Remington 1100 3" magnum deer hunting only
1 Browning Maxus 12 ga shotgun
1 H&R 20 ga Shotgun
1 16 ga shotgun unsure of manufacturer belonged to my Grandfather. wins many turkey's at Thanksgiving Smiley
1 Savage .243
1 Marlin .308
1 Walther PPK .380
1 M1 Garand bought through the VFW from Anniston Army Depot
1 Hoyt compound bow

I bought the Browning last year at the start of Dove season here in Alabama. I got the 16 gauge from Dad and use it only in the turkey shoots various groups hold in the area at Thanksgiving and Christmas for fundraisers. I also like to shoot clay pigeons so i got a setup for Christmas that launches them. I think the H&R 20 ga was the first gun I ever owned. My Dad got it for me for Christmas 1983. It is a break open single shot shotgun that kicks like a mule when fired. I also enjoy deer hunting and we have such a surplus of whitetails here they have become a nuisance. I planted several hills of watermelons in the garden this year and the deer busted them all not to mention ruining my corn and peas.
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« Reply #33 on: September 14, 2009, 08:30:52 PM »

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My son Jed is taking a .22 class starting tomorrow night at the Sonora Gun Club.
Sarah his older sister took it about a year ago and enjoyed it. His turn now.
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« Reply #34 on: September 14, 2009, 08:56:13 PM »

Keep his ears and eyes covered. I have hearing problems from all the guns I have fired. At home and in the Army. Get him a good set of muffs the plugs they used to issue us and that I used for years were inadequate.
I use this type now they are around $300 but well worth the expense. http://earplugstore.stores.yahoo.net/pro-ears-pro-mag-gold1.html
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« Reply #35 on: April 04, 2010, 09:26:53 PM »

ok here is the list from my gun cabinet

3 winchester model 94's 30-30
1 smith&wesson 30-06
1 remington 700 .308
1 browning A-bolt .300 win mag
2 remington 700ml . 1 .50 cal the other .54 cal
3 thompson center hawken 2 .50 cal the other .54 cal
1 weatherby .22LR
1mossberg .22wmr
1 browning A5 12 gauge3"mag (one of the old belgium made A5'S)
1 benelli super black eagle 12 guage slug 3" mag ((my deer hunting gun)
1 benelli super black eagle 12 guage 3.5" mag
1 remington 870 3.5 " mag (my turkey hunting gun)
1 berreta 10 guage double barrel side by side
1 marlin .35 cal lever action
1 ruger .220 swift
1 ruger 25-06
1ruger 22-250
1 h&r 12 gauge single shot 3" mag
1 h&r 20 guage single shot slug 3"
1 remington 20 guage
1 sears .410
1 hk usp .40 cal

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